All the stories you hear about the Pacific and the frontlines is like disaster or catastrophe is just one-dimensional. It's like this thing happened and then everybody died or everyone was destituded or displaced from their land. And what really has stayed with me is the normality of that kind of disaster, dispossession and displacement. It's really hard to talk with people about this because what people want to hear is a sad tragic story. No one knows what to do with a story about flooding that kids were playing in.